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		<title>By: masradar</title>
		<link>http://returntomanliness.com/2008/08/31/attack-plan-american-political-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-2245</link>
		<dc:creator>masradar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 15:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you George washington was one of the greatest leader in this world. But my vote goes to Abraham Lincoln,he successfully led his country through its greatest internal crisis, the American Civil War, preserving the Union and ending slavery.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you George washington was one of the greatest leader in this world. But my vote goes to Abraham Lincoln,he successfully led his country through its greatest internal crisis, the American Civil War, preserving the Union and ending slavery.<br />
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		<title>By: RAPters</title>
		<link>http://returntomanliness.com/2008/08/31/attack-plan-american-political-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-507</link>
		<dc:creator>RAPters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t have said things better myself.  I have always hated the idea of political parties and I think they do more harm then good.  Out of principle I will never declare myself for one party or another.  Any time I talk politics I always bring up Washington&#039;s warnings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t have said things better myself.  I have always hated the idea of political parties and I think they do more harm then good.  Out of principle I will never declare myself for one party or another.  Any time I talk politics I always bring up Washington&#8217;s warnings.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I usually do no reply to blogs (nor really read them(only being here because of some idiots, who say George Washington had a party, I&#039;m trying to get that political party quote for)), but there was just one thing that has not been said in the comments that really bugged me.

George Washington didn&#039;t kick and scream for another term.  Being new to the colonists that just became Americans, they were unsure and voted George Washington for a second time, who left after that second term, being the most amazing thing in many people&#039;s eyes.  And if I am wrong on this, sorry, but it was also the way you approached on the &quot;kicking and screaming&quot; since I could not imagine that.

And another thing, that I thought should be added.  George Washington did say not to get involved with other countries (Not saying if I do or do not support the war in Iraq).  If that was said, I am sorry for repetition, for I did not see anything that had said so.

This is mostly from prior knowledge from my teachers, lost debates, and even clients (when we chit-chat) that I had received the information.  I am sorry if I had ended up being wrong anywhere, though it&#039;s really hard to find a right or wrong answer.  If I was wrongly educated, I prefer to simply be corrected with a simple explanation, not argued on a fact.
(heh, and here I am just unsure to press the submit button.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I usually do no reply to blogs (nor really read them(only being here because of some idiots, who say George Washington had a party, I&#8217;m trying to get that political party quote for)), but there was just one thing that has not been said in the comments that really bugged me.</p>
<p>George Washington didn&#8217;t kick and scream for another term.  Being new to the colonists that just became Americans, they were unsure and voted George Washington for a second time, who left after that second term, being the most amazing thing in many people&#8217;s eyes.  And if I am wrong on this, sorry, but it was also the way you approached on the &#8220;kicking and screaming&#8221; since I could not imagine that.</p>
<p>And another thing, that I thought should be added.  George Washington did say not to get involved with other countries (Not saying if I do or do not support the war in Iraq).  If that was said, I am sorry for repetition, for I did not see anything that had said so.</p>
<p>This is mostly from prior knowledge from my teachers, lost debates, and even clients (when we chit-chat) that I had received the information.  I am sorry if I had ended up being wrong anywhere, though it&#8217;s really hard to find a right or wrong answer.  If I was wrongly educated, I prefer to simply be corrected with a simple explanation, not argued on a fact.<br />
(heh, and here I am just unsure to press the submit button.)</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 11:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post.

I have often been saddened seeing billboards for conservative talk radio shows calling demeocrats the enemy. 
Agree or disagree, but never should the fellow american be thought of as your enemy.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post.</p>
<p>I have often been saddened seeing billboards for conservative talk radio shows calling demeocrats the enemy.<br />
Agree or disagree, but never should the fellow american be thought of as your enemy.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://returntomanliness.com/2008/08/31/attack-plan-american-political-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-447</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 01:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Hayden - I think it&#039;s the succession issue that causes this.  The US Constitution doesn&#039;t give any powers to the VP other than succession.  Without the VP being part of the team and having a voice, NO ONE would want the job.  They serve the President like any other Cabinet appointee or Secretary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Hayden &#8211; I think it&#8217;s the succession issue that causes this.  The US Constitution doesn&#8217;t give any powers to the VP other than succession.  Without the VP being part of the team and having a voice, NO ONE would want the job.  They serve the President like any other Cabinet appointee or Secretary.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 01:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jack - I looked at the post again and you are right.  I wasn&#039;t clear.  Most lobbyists are lawyers, but not the other way around.  I should have said kill all the lobbyists, but that wouldn&#039;t have been as fun as quoting Shakespeare.  But your points are valid and I needed more clarity. 

On voting...using past failures of implementation is not a sound argument against the concept.  Carte blanche voting works when the electorate aren&#039;t deciding based solely on gender or, worse yet, &quot;cause he seems like a guy I can have a beer with&quot;.  In any other profession, likability or whatever ridiculous measure (other than success) is short lived.  But not in politics.  I think that has to change...just my opinion.

I do like your comments, though.  The writing doesn&#039;t make sense, call me out on it.  Something offends you, call me out on that too. 

BTW, I like lawyers a lot.  Lawyers help make America great.  They &lt;b&gt;can be&lt;/b&gt; the ultimate equalizer in our society.  But don&#039;t tell me that nearly 40,000 Washington lobbyists (almost all lawyers) for only 535 congress men and women makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jack &#8211; I looked at the post again and you are right.  I wasn&#8217;t clear.  Most lobbyists are lawyers, but not the other way around.  I should have said kill all the lobbyists, but that wouldn&#8217;t have been as fun as quoting Shakespeare.  But your points are valid and I needed more clarity. </p>
<p>On voting&#8230;using past failures of implementation is not a sound argument against the concept.  Carte blanche voting works when the electorate aren&#8217;t deciding based solely on gender or, worse yet, &#8220;cause he seems like a guy I can have a beer with&#8221;.  In any other profession, likability or whatever ridiculous measure (other than success) is short lived.  But not in politics.  I think that has to change&#8230;just my opinion.</p>
<p>I do like your comments, though.  The writing doesn&#8217;t make sense, call me out on it.  Something offends you, call me out on that too. </p>
<p>BTW, I like lawyers a lot.  Lawyers help make America great.  They <b>can be</b> the ultimate equalizer in our society.  But don&#8217;t tell me that nearly 40,000 Washington lobbyists (almost all lawyers) for only 535 congress men and women makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 07:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A lawyer with his briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns&quot; Don Corleone(Mario Puzo)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A lawyer with his briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns&#8221; Don Corleone(Mario Puzo)</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 01:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get your main point and agree with several of your subpoints, but a few of your subpoints were poorly written and poorly argued.

&quot;Kill all the lawyers.&quot; What does this have to do with your argument? You start off talking about lawyers and then you finish talking about lobbyists. If there&#039;s a connection between the two, you didn&#039;t make it very clear. I agree that lobbyists are a bane to our political system, but what&#039;s with the cheap jab at lawyers? Assuming that you&#039;re arguing that lawyers are bad for politics, I have a few rebuttals for you.

First, as an attorney I find this offensive. I work hard to hold up my oath to defend the Constitution and to bring justice. And guess what? Most attorneys do take their job in exercising justice seriously. Unfortunately, we only hear about the bad examples.

Second, the argument that lawyers ruin politics is crap. We should be thankful we have lawyers. Remember the election of 2000? In most countries in the world there would have been armed conflict. Just watch the news and see what happens in other countries when there&#039;s a contested election. It&#039;s chaos! I think it&#039;s a testament to America that instead of calling in the army, we call in lawyers to settle an election civilly and without bloodshed.

Third, lawyers write better law. Representatives who don&#039;t have any legal training write bad laws. Most litigation arises because a statute or ordinance was poorly written or the author didn&#039;t take into account the legal ramifications of the statute. Reps with legal training can take this into account when writing or analyzing new law.

&quot;Make voting a right, not a privilege.&quot; Okay, but why? You didn&#039;t make this very clear. Just some vague reference to national security being different. How does making voting a privilege bolster your &quot;Attack plan&quot; against political parties? Also, how do you suggest making voting a privilege? Our country has already tried that with undemocratic results (allowing only white, male, property owners to vote; establishing tests before a citizen can vote, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get your main point and agree with several of your subpoints, but a few of your subpoints were poorly written and poorly argued.</p>
<p>&#8220;Kill all the lawyers.&#8221; What does this have to do with your argument? You start off talking about lawyers and then you finish talking about lobbyists. If there&#8217;s a connection between the two, you didn&#8217;t make it very clear. I agree that lobbyists are a bane to our political system, but what&#8217;s with the cheap jab at lawyers? Assuming that you&#8217;re arguing that lawyers are bad for politics, I have a few rebuttals for you.</p>
<p>First, as an attorney I find this offensive. I work hard to hold up my oath to defend the Constitution and to bring justice. And guess what? Most attorneys do take their job in exercising justice seriously. Unfortunately, we only hear about the bad examples.</p>
<p>Second, the argument that lawyers ruin politics is crap. We should be thankful we have lawyers. Remember the election of 2000? In most countries in the world there would have been armed conflict. Just watch the news and see what happens in other countries when there&#8217;s a contested election. It&#8217;s chaos! I think it&#8217;s a testament to America that instead of calling in the army, we call in lawyers to settle an election civilly and without bloodshed.</p>
<p>Third, lawyers write better law. Representatives who don&#8217;t have any legal training write bad laws. Most litigation arises because a statute or ordinance was poorly written or the author didn&#8217;t take into account the legal ramifications of the statute. Reps with legal training can take this into account when writing or analyzing new law.</p>
<p>&#8220;Make voting a right, not a privilege.&#8221; Okay, but why? You didn&#8217;t make this very clear. Just some vague reference to national security being different. How does making voting a privilege bolster your &#8220;Attack plan&#8221; against political parties? Also, how do you suggest making voting a privilege? Our country has already tried that with undemocratic results (allowing only white, male, property owners to vote; establishing tests before a citizen can vote, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Hayden Tompkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hayden Tompkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 01:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Political parties have taken the concept of the “right” to vote and made a mockery out of the concept.&quot;

NO KIDDING.

I also don&#039;t understand why you have to elect &#039;teams&#039;.  Why you can&#039;t you vote for the President and VP separately?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Political parties have taken the concept of the “right” to vote and made a mockery out of the concept.&#8221;</p>
<p>NO KIDDING.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t understand why you have to elect &#8216;teams&#8217;.  Why you can&#8217;t you vote for the President and VP separately?</p>
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