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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike - couldn&#039;t have said it better.  Long comments are welcome as much as the short ones.  

Interesting discussion around the N word.  At first, when that covered the news a few weeks ago, I was offended by black people using the word and saying I couldn&#039;t use it (I am white).  Then, I asked a few Polish folks (including my wife) about Polish jokes and if there were a difference in Polish people making fun of themselves vs others making fun of them.  

She was very clear this was a sensitive issue.  I asked a Mormon the same question and he said the same thing.  It was educational to me and I learned some valuable things about ragging on other folks&#039; race/ethnicity - don&#039;t do it.  That is my own advice for me, though.

To each their own, but like you said, no one should get offended by me calling them out on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike &#8211; couldn&#8217;t have said it better.  Long comments are welcome as much as the short ones.  </p>
<p>Interesting discussion around the N word.  At first, when that covered the news a few weeks ago, I was offended by black people using the word and saying I couldn&#8217;t use it (I am white).  Then, I asked a few Polish folks (including my wife) about Polish jokes and if there were a difference in Polish people making fun of themselves vs others making fun of them.  </p>
<p>She was very clear this was a sensitive issue.  I asked a Mormon the same question and he said the same thing.  It was educational to me and I learned some valuable things about ragging on other folks&#8217; race/ethnicity &#8211; don&#8217;t do it.  That is my own advice for me, though.</p>
<p>To each their own, but like you said, no one should get offended by me calling them out on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With respect, Joe, when have you ever seen anyone make &quot;slant eyes&quot; gestures without making fun of Asians?  And it&#039;s not like they imitated a group&#039;s style of dress or the way they walk.  They pulled on the side of their eyes so they&#039;d superficially appear Chinese.  Personally, if an alien species landed and was all &quot;hey, look at me, I&#039;m a pasty white guy&quot; and did whatever we pasty white guys do just for the hell of it, I&#039;d probably feel like that alien bastard was having a go at me and want to throw down (until he pulled out his lazer). 

And it&#039;s the same reason why you and I (I&#039;m assuming you&#039;re white, Joe) can&#039;t drop the N-bomb and get away with it.  Even if you don&#039;t mean anything offensive by what you say, your words actions don&#039;t exist in a vacuum.  They have a whole history, in some cases a history of 9 year olds singing &quot;Me Chinese, me play joke...&quot;  I mean, these things have a meaning that is specific to a time an place.  And so, while we can&#039;t call Al Jolson a rascist for performing in blackface (it was culturally acceptable and encouraged for Jazz performers), we&#039;d be outraged when and if Miley Cyrus were to do it.

It&#039;s not that I&#039;m terribly politically correct.  But it&#039;s ludicrous to suggest that your words and actions shouldn&#039;t have consequences, or that whoever is listening to you should be on your exact wavelength so that they know exactly what you&#039;re saying at all times.  It&#039;s not the listener&#039;s fault if what you were saying isn&#039;t clear to them.

Look, I respect Spain&#039;s right to do something that makes them look like immature, obnoxious, Eurotrash d-bags.  But they can&#039;t complain, then, when I call them immature, obnoxious, Eurotrash d-bags.  And somebody on that team needed to step up and say, &quot;Hey guys, um, we&#039;re going to be hanging out with a BILLION of these people in a few weeks.  Maybe it&#039;s a bad idea to make fun of the way they look.&quot;

I apologize for the essay here, Kevin.  I&#039;ll try not to let it happen again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect, Joe, when have you ever seen anyone make &#8220;slant eyes&#8221; gestures without making fun of Asians?  And it&#8217;s not like they imitated a group&#8217;s style of dress or the way they walk.  They pulled on the side of their eyes so they&#8217;d superficially appear Chinese.  Personally, if an alien species landed and was all &#8220;hey, look at me, I&#8217;m a pasty white guy&#8221; and did whatever we pasty white guys do just for the hell of it, I&#8217;d probably feel like that alien bastard was having a go at me and want to throw down (until he pulled out his lazer). </p>
<p>And it&#8217;s the same reason why you and I (I&#8217;m assuming you&#8217;re white, Joe) can&#8217;t drop the N-bomb and get away with it.  Even if you don&#8217;t mean anything offensive by what you say, your words actions don&#8217;t exist in a vacuum.  They have a whole history, in some cases a history of 9 year olds singing &#8220;Me Chinese, me play joke&#8230;&#8221;  I mean, these things have a meaning that is specific to a time an place.  And so, while we can&#8217;t call Al Jolson a rascist for performing in blackface (it was culturally acceptable and encouraged for Jazz performers), we&#8217;d be outraged when and if Miley Cyrus were to do it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that I&#8217;m terribly politically correct.  But it&#8217;s ludicrous to suggest that your words and actions shouldn&#8217;t have consequences, or that whoever is listening to you should be on your exact wavelength so that they know exactly what you&#8217;re saying at all times.  It&#8217;s not the listener&#8217;s fault if what you were saying isn&#8217;t clear to them.</p>
<p>Look, I respect Spain&#8217;s right to do something that makes them look like immature, obnoxious, Eurotrash d-bags.  But they can&#8217;t complain, then, when I call them immature, obnoxious, Eurotrash d-bags.  And somebody on that team needed to step up and say, &#8220;Hey guys, um, we&#8217;re going to be hanging out with a BILLION of these people in a few weeks.  Maybe it&#8217;s a bad idea to make fun of the way they look.&#8221;</p>
<p>I apologize for the essay here, Kevin.  I&#8217;ll try not to let it happen again.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

Thanks for the comments.  

I am a huge fan of being less sensitive and I agree with you.  But if you don&#039;t know the backstory like what you just mentioned, it is VERY easy to get offended - especially if you are Asian.  Not to mention, the country is in the running for a future Olympics - bad karma...

Swimsuits - not an expert, but love to watch. The experts say it helps a lot (which is why everyone is wearing them, of course).  As a fan, I loved watching every other ball go over the fence during the steroid era as much I love watching every single race fall to a new record.  If I&#039;m Spitz, though, I&#039;m probably saying to myself...man, come on...I even did mine with the classic 70&#039;s porno mustache...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments.  </p>
<p>I am a huge fan of being less sensitive and I agree with you.  But if you don&#8217;t know the backstory like what you just mentioned, it is VERY easy to get offended &#8211; especially if you are Asian.  Not to mention, the country is in the running for a future Olympics &#8211; bad karma&#8230;</p>
<p>Swimsuits &#8211; not an expert, but love to watch. The experts say it helps a lot (which is why everyone is wearing them, of course).  As a fan, I loved watching every other ball go over the fence during the steroid era as much I love watching every single race fall to a new record.  If I&#8217;m Spitz, though, I&#8217;m probably saying to myself&#8230;man, come on&#8230;I even did mine with the classic 70&#8217;s porno mustache&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the Spanish basketball team.... Maybe we should all be a little less sensitive. When we operate under the assumption that any imitation is equivalent to mockery, we&#039;ll always have plenty of reasons to be offended. I heard the team was asked to do this by the photographer. It&#039;s something I would be very hesitant to do, but I don&#039;t see why it has to be a huge deal. If an alien species landed here on Earth, and began trying to imitate our appearance and mannerisms, would that be offensive? I know that&#039;s a very contrived analogy, but my point is to ask, &quot;Why can&#039;t we just read things at face value more often?&quot;

Regarding the new swimsuits.... For men, I don&#039;t see the huge difference between wearing the lower half versus the whole thing. The way I understand these things to work, they squeeze certain parts of your body to make you more streamlined in the water. Thighs, buttocks, and breasts. That&#039;s why I don&#039;t see the difference between the half- and full-suits for men. What is the upper half going to streamline?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the Spanish basketball team&#8230;. Maybe we should all be a little less sensitive. When we operate under the assumption that any imitation is equivalent to mockery, we&#8217;ll always have plenty of reasons to be offended. I heard the team was asked to do this by the photographer. It&#8217;s something I would be very hesitant to do, but I don&#8217;t see why it has to be a huge deal. If an alien species landed here on Earth, and began trying to imitate our appearance and mannerisms, would that be offensive? I know that&#8217;s a very contrived analogy, but my point is to ask, &#8220;Why can&#8217;t we just read things at face value more often?&#8221;</p>
<p>Regarding the new swimsuits&#8230;. For men, I don&#8217;t see the huge difference between wearing the lower half versus the whole thing. The way I understand these things to work, they squeeze certain parts of your body to make you more streamlined in the water. Thighs, buttocks, and breasts. That&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t see the difference between the half- and full-suits for men. What is the upper half going to streamline?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike - sorry bout the ACL.  I am twinging right now.  Spaniards are a bunch of idiots.  If someone from Spain doesn&#039;t like that comment, I apologize and maybe they will then apologize for this photo.  If the American team did this, I would dedicate an entire week of digital ink bashing them.

Seriously, the twins needed to be there this year.  &quot;Don&#039;t have a pool per se&quot;...classic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike &#8211; sorry bout the ACL.  I am twinging right now.  Spaniards are a bunch of idiots.  If someone from Spain doesn&#8217;t like that comment, I apologize and maybe they will then apologize for this photo.  If the American team did this, I would dedicate an entire week of digital ink bashing them.</p>
<p>Seriously, the twins needed to be there this year.  &#8220;Don&#8217;t have a pool per se&#8221;&#8230;classic.</p>
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		<title>By: Hayden Tompkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hayden Tompkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, God, the ELBOW.

Hayden Tompkinss last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://persistentillusion.wordpress.com/2008/08/14/what-does-your-elementary-report-card-say-about-you/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What Does Your Elementary Report Card Say About You?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, God, the ELBOW.</p>
<p>Hayden Tompkinss last blog post..<a href="http://persistentillusion.wordpress.com/2008/08/14/what-does-your-elementary-report-card-say-about-you/" rel="nofollow">What Does Your Elementary Report Card Say About You?</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, I&#039;m holding my own Olympics next year and would like to invite the Feres twins to compete.  I don&#039;t have a pool, per se, but I do have a jacuzzi tub that they should fit in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I&#8217;m holding my own Olympics next year and would like to invite the Feres twins to compete.  I don&#8217;t have a pool, per se, but I do have a jacuzzi tub that they should fit in.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skipped right past those elbow pictures, bro.  I don&#039;t mind cuts or scrapes or whatever.  I&#039;ve torn my ACL twice.  But I just cannot watch dislocations and fractures.  If that makes me less of a man, so be it.

The Spain picture is ridiculous.  And I can&#039;t understand how they could not see that as offensive.  I mean, sure political correctness can get out of control, but you&#039;re essentially making fun of the way billions of people look.  I mean, what if I made myself up to look like soft-bodied Eurotrash?  Wouldn&#039;t they be offended?

www.the-common-man.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skipped right past those elbow pictures, bro.  I don&#8217;t mind cuts or scrapes or whatever.  I&#8217;ve torn my ACL twice.  But I just cannot watch dislocations and fractures.  If that makes me less of a man, so be it.</p>
<p>The Spain picture is ridiculous.  And I can&#8217;t understand how they could not see that as offensive.  I mean, sure political correctness can get out of control, but you&#8217;re essentially making fun of the way billions of people look.  I mean, what if I made myself up to look like soft-bodied Eurotrash?  Wouldn&#8217;t they be offended?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.the-common-man.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-common-man.com</a></p>
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