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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike - couldn't have said it better.  Long comments are welcome as much as the short ones.  

Interesting discussion around the N word.  At first, when that covered the news a few weeks ago, I was offended by black people using the word and saying I couldn't use it (I am white).  Then, I asked a few Polish folks (including my wife) about Polish jokes and if there were a difference in Polish people making fun of themselves vs others making fun of them.  

She was very clear this was a sensitive issue.  I asked a Mormon the same question and he said the same thing.  It was educational to me and I learned some valuable things about ragging on other folks' race/ethnicity - don't do it.  That is my own advice for me, though.

To each their own, but like you said, no one should get offended by me calling them out on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike - couldn&#8217;t have said it better.  Long comments are welcome as much as the short ones.  </p>
<p>Interesting discussion around the N word.  At first, when that covered the news a few weeks ago, I was offended by black people using the word and saying I couldn&#8217;t use it (I am white).  Then, I asked a few Polish folks (including my wife) about Polish jokes and if there were a difference in Polish people making fun of themselves vs others making fun of them.  </p>
<p>She was very clear this was a sensitive issue.  I asked a Mormon the same question and he said the same thing.  It was educational to me and I learned some valuable things about ragging on other folks&#8217; race/ethnicity - don&#8217;t do it.  That is my own advice for me, though.</p>
<p>To each their own, but like you said, no one should get offended by me calling them out on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With respect, Joe, when have you ever seen anyone make "slant eyes" gestures without making fun of Asians?  And it's not like they imitated a group's style of dress or the way they walk.  They pulled on the side of their eyes so they'd superficially appear Chinese.  Personally, if an alien species landed and was all "hey, look at me, I'm a pasty white guy" and did whatever we pasty white guys do just for the hell of it, I'd probably feel like that alien bastard was having a go at me and want to throw down (until he pulled out his lazer). 

And it's the same reason why you and I (I'm assuming you're white, Joe) can't drop the N-bomb and get away with it.  Even if you don't mean anything offensive by what you say, your words actions don't exist in a vacuum.  They have a whole history, in some cases a history of 9 year olds singing "Me Chinese, me play joke..."  I mean, these things have a meaning that is specific to a time an place.  And so, while we can't call Al Jolson a rascist for performing in blackface (it was culturally acceptable and encouraged for Jazz performers), we'd be outraged when and if Miley Cyrus were to do it.

It's not that I'm terribly politically correct.  But it's ludicrous to suggest that your words and actions shouldn't have consequences, or that whoever is listening to you should be on your exact wavelength so that they know exactly what you're saying at all times.  It's not the listener's fault if what you were saying isn't clear to them.

Look, I respect Spain's right to do something that makes them look like immature, obnoxious, Eurotrash d-bags.  But they can't complain, then, when I call them immature, obnoxious, Eurotrash d-bags.  And somebody on that team needed to step up and say, "Hey guys, um, we're going to be hanging out with a BILLION of these people in a few weeks.  Maybe it's a bad idea to make fun of the way they look."

I apologize for the essay here, Kevin.  I'll try not to let it happen again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect, Joe, when have you ever seen anyone make &#8220;slant eyes&#8221; gestures without making fun of Asians?  And it&#8217;s not like they imitated a group&#8217;s style of dress or the way they walk.  They pulled on the side of their eyes so they&#8217;d superficially appear Chinese.  Personally, if an alien species landed and was all &#8220;hey, look at me, I&#8217;m a pasty white guy&#8221; and did whatever we pasty white guys do just for the hell of it, I&#8217;d probably feel like that alien bastard was having a go at me and want to throw down (until he pulled out his lazer). </p>
<p>And it&#8217;s the same reason why you and I (I&#8217;m assuming you&#8217;re white, Joe) can&#8217;t drop the N-bomb and get away with it.  Even if you don&#8217;t mean anything offensive by what you say, your words actions don&#8217;t exist in a vacuum.  They have a whole history, in some cases a history of 9 year olds singing &#8220;Me Chinese, me play joke&#8230;&#8221;  I mean, these things have a meaning that is specific to a time an place.  And so, while we can&#8217;t call Al Jolson a rascist for performing in blackface (it was culturally acceptable and encouraged for Jazz performers), we&#8217;d be outraged when and if Miley Cyrus were to do it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that I&#8217;m terribly politically correct.  But it&#8217;s ludicrous to suggest that your words and actions shouldn&#8217;t have consequences, or that whoever is listening to you should be on your exact wavelength so that they know exactly what you&#8217;re saying at all times.  It&#8217;s not the listener&#8217;s fault if what you were saying isn&#8217;t clear to them.</p>
<p>Look, I respect Spain&#8217;s right to do something that makes them look like immature, obnoxious, Eurotrash d-bags.  But they can&#8217;t complain, then, when I call them immature, obnoxious, Eurotrash d-bags.  And somebody on that team needed to step up and say, &#8220;Hey guys, um, we&#8217;re going to be hanging out with a BILLION of these people in a few weeks.  Maybe it&#8217;s a bad idea to make fun of the way they look.&#8221;</p>
<p>I apologize for the essay here, Kevin.  I&#8217;ll try not to let it happen again.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

Thanks for the comments.  

I am a huge fan of being less sensitive and I agree with you.  But if you don't know the backstory like what you just mentioned, it is VERY easy to get offended - especially if you are Asian.  Not to mention, the country is in the running for a future Olympics - bad karma...

Swimsuits - not an expert, but love to watch. The experts say it helps a lot (which is why everyone is wearing them, of course).  As a fan, I loved watching every other ball go over the fence during the steroid era as much I love watching every single race fall to a new record.  If I'm Spitz, though, I'm probably saying to myself...man, come on...I even did mine with the classic 70's porno mustache...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments.  </p>
<p>I am a huge fan of being less sensitive and I agree with you.  But if you don&#8217;t know the backstory like what you just mentioned, it is VERY easy to get offended - especially if you are Asian.  Not to mention, the country is in the running for a future Olympics - bad karma&#8230;</p>
<p>Swimsuits - not an expert, but love to watch. The experts say it helps a lot (which is why everyone is wearing them, of course).  As a fan, I loved watching every other ball go over the fence during the steroid era as much I love watching every single race fall to a new record.  If I&#8217;m Spitz, though, I&#8217;m probably saying to myself&#8230;man, come on&#8230;I even did mine with the classic 70&#8217;s porno mustache&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the Spanish basketball team.... Maybe we should all be a little less sensitive. When we operate under the assumption that any imitation is equivalent to mockery, we'll always have plenty of reasons to be offended. I heard the team was asked to do this by the photographer. It's something I would be very hesitant to do, but I don't see why it has to be a huge deal. If an alien species landed here on Earth, and began trying to imitate our appearance and mannerisms, would that be offensive? I know that's a very contrived analogy, but my point is to ask, "Why can't we just read things at face value more often?"

Regarding the new swimsuits.... For men, I don't see the huge difference between wearing the lower half versus the whole thing. The way I understand these things to work, they squeeze certain parts of your body to make you more streamlined in the water. Thighs, buttocks, and breasts. That's why I don't see the difference between the half- and full-suits for men. What is the upper half going to streamline?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the Spanish basketball team&#8230;. Maybe we should all be a little less sensitive. When we operate under the assumption that any imitation is equivalent to mockery, we&#8217;ll always have plenty of reasons to be offended. I heard the team was asked to do this by the photographer. It&#8217;s something I would be very hesitant to do, but I don&#8217;t see why it has to be a huge deal. If an alien species landed here on Earth, and began trying to imitate our appearance and mannerisms, would that be offensive? I know that&#8217;s a very contrived analogy, but my point is to ask, &#8220;Why can&#8217;t we just read things at face value more often?&#8221;</p>
<p>Regarding the new swimsuits&#8230;. For men, I don&#8217;t see the huge difference between wearing the lower half versus the whole thing. The way I understand these things to work, they squeeze certain parts of your body to make you more streamlined in the water. Thighs, buttocks, and breasts. That&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t see the difference between the half- and full-suits for men. What is the upper half going to streamline?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike - sorry bout the ACL.  I am twinging right now.  Spaniards are a bunch of idiots.  If someone from Spain doesn't like that comment, I apologize and maybe they will then apologize for this photo.  If the American team did this, I would dedicate an entire week of digital ink bashing them.

Seriously, the twins needed to be there this year.  "Don't have a pool per se"...classic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike - sorry bout the ACL.  I am twinging right now.  Spaniards are a bunch of idiots.  If someone from Spain doesn&#8217;t like that comment, I apologize and maybe they will then apologize for this photo.  If the American team did this, I would dedicate an entire week of digital ink bashing them.</p>
<p>Seriously, the twins needed to be there this year.  &#8220;Don&#8217;t have a pool per se&#8221;&#8230;classic.</p>
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		<title>By: Hayden Tompkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hayden Tompkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, God, the ELBOW.

Hayden Tompkinss last blog post..&lt;a href="http://persistentillusion.wordpress.com/2008/08/14/what-does-your-elementary-report-card-say-about-you/" rel="nofollow"&gt;What Does Your Elementary Report Card Say About You?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, God, the ELBOW.</p>
<p>Hayden Tompkinss last blog post..<a href="http://persistentillusion.wordpress.com/2008/08/14/what-does-your-elementary-report-card-say-about-you/" rel="nofollow">What Does Your Elementary Report Card Say About You?</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, I'm holding my own Olympics next year and would like to invite the Feres twins to compete.  I don't have a pool, per se, but I do have a jacuzzi tub that they should fit in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I&#8217;m holding my own Olympics next year and would like to invite the Feres twins to compete.  I don&#8217;t have a pool, per se, but I do have a jacuzzi tub that they should fit in.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skipped right past those elbow pictures, bro.  I don't mind cuts or scrapes or whatever.  I've torn my ACL twice.  But I just cannot watch dislocations and fractures.  If that makes me less of a man, so be it.

The Spain picture is ridiculous.  And I can't understand how they could not see that as offensive.  I mean, sure political correctness can get out of control, but you're essentially making fun of the way billions of people look.  I mean, what if I made myself up to look like soft-bodied Eurotrash?  Wouldn't they be offended?

www.the-common-man.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skipped right past those elbow pictures, bro.  I don&#8217;t mind cuts or scrapes or whatever.  I&#8217;ve torn my ACL twice.  But I just cannot watch dislocations and fractures.  If that makes me less of a man, so be it.</p>
<p>The Spain picture is ridiculous.  And I can&#8217;t understand how they could not see that as offensive.  I mean, sure political correctness can get out of control, but you&#8217;re essentially making fun of the way billions of people look.  I mean, what if I made myself up to look like soft-bodied Eurotrash?  Wouldn&#8217;t they be offended?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.the-common-man.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-common-man.com</a></p>
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