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	<title>Comments on: Flint Michigan Implements Controversial Sagging Pants Law</title>
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		<title>By: acataveagetty</title>
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		<dc:creator>acataveagetty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 20:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow , I really  enjoyed  reading  your post , but  I  feel you  should use info  from the site. 
There are always a lot of information. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow , I really  enjoyed  reading  your post , but  I  feel you  should use info  from the site.<br />
There are always a lot of information.<br />
<a href="http://froogle.com/" rel="nofollow">Froogle</a></p>
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		<title>By: ronnie fenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>ronnie fenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 07:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly im mixed between black and a white family and yes i do wear my pants below my waste im in high school its a trend... i find that my black side gets angry when i do it because they seem to think white people will look down on them, honestly everykid does it even if they dont do it in front of you watch them turn the corner its  better to know what ur kid is doing then they do it behind ur back. and as for my white side they all just say oh thats stupid and then its w.e they dont care, i had a black women come up to me and say pull up ur pants u look like a fool... I simply replied &quot; im sorry miss did u sleep with my dad, are u my mother?&quot; she said no and put on a mad face and kissed her teeth so i said so then shutup -_- and the reason she said that was because i was fixing my pants trying to pull them up to were i wanted so about what i just said im just trying to let u parents know that there gonna do it anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly im mixed between black and a white family and yes i do wear my pants below my waste im in high school its a trend&#8230; i find that my black side gets angry when i do it because they seem to think white people will look down on them, honestly everykid does it even if they dont do it in front of you watch them turn the corner its  better to know what ur kid is doing then they do it behind ur back. and as for my white side they all just say oh thats stupid and then its w.e they dont care, i had a black women come up to me and say pull up ur pants u look like a fool&#8230; I simply replied &#8221; im sorry miss did u sleep with my dad, are u my mother?&#8221; she said no and put on a mad face and kissed her teeth so i said so then shutup -_- and the reason she said that was because i was fixing my pants trying to pull them up to were i wanted so about what i just said im just trying to let u parents know that there gonna do it anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Libertarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Libertarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 03:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Women should wear burkas too! Women exposing their faces is a detestable and vile display of indecency...

C&#039;mon people this is America. Men and women have died to protect the right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness however they see fit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Women should wear burkas too! Women exposing their faces is a detestable and vile display of indecency&#8230;</p>
<p>C&#8217;mon people this is America. Men and women have died to protect the right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness however they see fit.</p>
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		<title>By: Apple-shaped Obese Male</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apple-shaped Obese Male</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 09:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Club Bouncer:

WOW! It&#039;s been some time since I have been to this web site. I had almost completely forgotten about it until I got a notice in my E-mail that someone had posted here.

So, I just had to respond. 

I thought this topic would be dead by now, and because of my extreme obesity, I&#039;m surprised that I&#039;m not either! Yeah, I&#039;m still very much alive, and even fatter now!

I see, that the first time I had posted here was back in August 2009.

I had mentioned that I was unable to keep my pants from sliding halfway down on my butt, and was unable to avoid exposing my butt-crack because of my massive upper-body, and my great big round low-hanging belly, and my narrow hips, and small butt.

At the time I said I was 42 years old, so I&#039;m not just some kid going around in low hanging pants. As I had mentioned before, I&#039;m 6 feet 2 inches tall and I weighed about 750 pounds, and that I measured about 72 inches around my chest, 98 inches around my belly, but that I have a relatively small butt, measuring only 54 inches around my hips. also, that I’m only 28 inches around my thighs and my upper arms are 36 inches around. also, that my upper-arms are actually bigger around than my thighs!

That was almost two years ago.

Then sometime later, much later back in May 2010, you (Club Bopuncer) had said . . .

&quot;Like any law, this would need to be approached on a case by case basis. Someone who physically cannot help it would not be sought by the police. Although, they may recommend suspenders or something else to help with the problem.&quot;

And I had responded by saying the following . . .

&quot;I’m unable to wear suspenders because, as I have said, my huge round belly hangs down over the waistband of my pants, down over my groin area, and down over my thighs about half-way to my knees. I am unable to life up my belly, and reach over it to put on suspenders, and even if I could, my low hanging belly would only pull down on my suspenders causing my pants to still slide half-way down on my butt.&quot;

So, for me, suspender are not an option, and neither is a belt, because I can&#039;t reach over my belly to buckle a belt, so I guess I just have to go around with my pants hanging half-way down on my ass, exposing my butt-crack.

Sorry, but I really can&#039;t help it!

So now I feel the need to respond to the following comment by Club Bouncer.

&quot;I’m gonna just keep this brief since I refuse to waste a ton of time at this.

As far as the club customers go, we are still over capacity every weekend even with $10-15 cover charge. I don’t worry about upsetting a few thug-wannabes. Those that really want in will respect the dress code. Others can leave.

Whether it is right or not, you will be treated based on the appearance you give people.&quot;

Well, just because my pants slide half-way down on my butt, I&#039;m not a thug-wannabe. 

Am I to understand, that I would get kicked out of your club for not conforming to your dress code, even though I&#039;m physically unable to comply?

That would be discrimination against me, because of my extreme obesity, and I believe that I should have the same rights, as any American citizen to be in your establishment.

I&#039;m a law abiding citizen.

Can I help it, if I&#039;m physically unable to keep my pants up high enough to conform to your club&#039;s dress code?

And yes, I&#039;m much fatter now. I have gained over 150 pounds pounds in the past 2 years. I now weigh about 930 pounds.

My arms and chest are bigger, and my belly is much bigger, and hangs down even lower, but, oddly enough, I have gained very little weight on my hips, butt, and thighs by comparison.

I now measure 92 inches around my chest, 124 inches around my belly, and my upper arms are now 46 inches around.

But I now only measure 58 inches around my hips, and only 34 inches around my thighs, somewhat larger than before, but not by much. So, my upper arms are still bigger around than my thighs!

So, your really have no idea what it&#039;s like, to be a super morbidly obese apple-shaped male with big fat arms, great big breasts that would put Dolly Parton to shame, a huge round belly, a small butt, and thin legs!

And now, my belly hangs down below my knees, and my love-handles hang down much lower, and that big roll of fat I have on my lower-back protrudes out much further than my butt.

Again, I&#039;m physically unable to keep my pants from sliding half-way down on my butt, and I can&#039;t find shirts that are large enough to completely cover my belly.

So, I guess people are just going to have to get used to seeing me going around out in public showing off my bellybutton and butt-crack.

But don&#039;t worry folks!

Maybe, if I keep on gaining enough weight on my upper body, then perhaps someday, the great big roll of fat on my lower-back will hang down over my butt, and my love-handles will hang down much lower, and then, you won&#039;t even see my butt anymore! It will be completely covered by my lower-back fat!

And so, when my lower-body is completely covered by my low-hanging upper-body fat, will I then be allowed to enter your night club?

I await an answer to my inquiry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Club Bouncer:</p>
<p>WOW! It&#8217;s been some time since I have been to this web site. I had almost completely forgotten about it until I got a notice in my E-mail that someone had posted here.</p>
<p>So, I just had to respond. </p>
<p>I thought this topic would be dead by now, and because of my extreme obesity, I&#8217;m surprised that I&#8217;m not either! Yeah, I&#8217;m still very much alive, and even fatter now!</p>
<p>I see, that the first time I had posted here was back in August 2009.</p>
<p>I had mentioned that I was unable to keep my pants from sliding halfway down on my butt, and was unable to avoid exposing my butt-crack because of my massive upper-body, and my great big round low-hanging belly, and my narrow hips, and small butt.</p>
<p>At the time I said I was 42 years old, so I&#8217;m not just some kid going around in low hanging pants. As I had mentioned before, I&#8217;m 6 feet 2 inches tall and I weighed about 750 pounds, and that I measured about 72 inches around my chest, 98 inches around my belly, but that I have a relatively small butt, measuring only 54 inches around my hips. also, that I’m only 28 inches around my thighs and my upper arms are 36 inches around. also, that my upper-arms are actually bigger around than my thighs!</p>
<p>That was almost two years ago.</p>
<p>Then sometime later, much later back in May 2010, you (Club Bopuncer) had said . . .</p>
<p>&#8220;Like any law, this would need to be approached on a case by case basis. Someone who physically cannot help it would not be sought by the police. Although, they may recommend suspenders or something else to help with the problem.&#8221;</p>
<p>And I had responded by saying the following . . .</p>
<p>&#8220;I’m unable to wear suspenders because, as I have said, my huge round belly hangs down over the waistband of my pants, down over my groin area, and down over my thighs about half-way to my knees. I am unable to life up my belly, and reach over it to put on suspenders, and even if I could, my low hanging belly would only pull down on my suspenders causing my pants to still slide half-way down on my butt.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, for me, suspender are not an option, and neither is a belt, because I can&#8217;t reach over my belly to buckle a belt, so I guess I just have to go around with my pants hanging half-way down on my ass, exposing my butt-crack.</p>
<p>Sorry, but I really can&#8217;t help it!</p>
<p>So now I feel the need to respond to the following comment by Club Bouncer.</p>
<p>&#8220;I’m gonna just keep this brief since I refuse to waste a ton of time at this.</p>
<p>As far as the club customers go, we are still over capacity every weekend even with $10-15 cover charge. I don’t worry about upsetting a few thug-wannabes. Those that really want in will respect the dress code. Others can leave.</p>
<p>Whether it is right or not, you will be treated based on the appearance you give people.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, just because my pants slide half-way down on my butt, I&#8217;m not a thug-wannabe. </p>
<p>Am I to understand, that I would get kicked out of your club for not conforming to your dress code, even though I&#8217;m physically unable to comply?</p>
<p>That would be discrimination against me, because of my extreme obesity, and I believe that I should have the same rights, as any American citizen to be in your establishment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a law abiding citizen.</p>
<p>Can I help it, if I&#8217;m physically unable to keep my pants up high enough to conform to your club&#8217;s dress code?</p>
<p>And yes, I&#8217;m much fatter now. I have gained over 150 pounds pounds in the past 2 years. I now weigh about 930 pounds.</p>
<p>My arms and chest are bigger, and my belly is much bigger, and hangs down even lower, but, oddly enough, I have gained very little weight on my hips, butt, and thighs by comparison.</p>
<p>I now measure 92 inches around my chest, 124 inches around my belly, and my upper arms are now 46 inches around.</p>
<p>But I now only measure 58 inches around my hips, and only 34 inches around my thighs, somewhat larger than before, but not by much. So, my upper arms are still bigger around than my thighs!</p>
<p>So, your really have no idea what it&#8217;s like, to be a super morbidly obese apple-shaped male with big fat arms, great big breasts that would put Dolly Parton to shame, a huge round belly, a small butt, and thin legs!</p>
<p>And now, my belly hangs down below my knees, and my love-handles hang down much lower, and that big roll of fat I have on my lower-back protrudes out much further than my butt.</p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m physically unable to keep my pants from sliding half-way down on my butt, and I can&#8217;t find shirts that are large enough to completely cover my belly.</p>
<p>So, I guess people are just going to have to get used to seeing me going around out in public showing off my bellybutton and butt-crack.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t worry folks!</p>
<p>Maybe, if I keep on gaining enough weight on my upper body, then perhaps someday, the great big roll of fat on my lower-back will hang down over my butt, and my love-handles will hang down much lower, and then, you won&#8217;t even see my butt anymore! It will be completely covered by my lower-back fat!</p>
<p>And so, when my lower-body is completely covered by my low-hanging upper-body fat, will I then be allowed to enter your night club?</p>
<p>I await an answer to my inquiry.</p>
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		<title>By: Club Bouncer</title>
		<link>http://returntomanliness.com/2008/07/11/flint-michigan-implements-controversial-sagging-pants-law/comment-page-1/#comment-13950</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Bouncer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 18:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m gonna just keep this brief since I refuse to waste a ton of time at this.

As far as the club customers go, we are still over capacity every weekend even with $10-15 cover charge.  I don&#039;t worry about upsetting a few thug-wannabes.  Those that really want in will respect the dress code.  Others can leave.

Whether it is right or not, you will be treated based on the appearance you give people.  Like the guy above who says the store manager beat him up for no reason, I&#039;m absolutely certain you aren&#039;t telling us the whole story.  But if you come into a private establishment looking like some degenerate scumbag (whether you are or not), that will be two strikes against you before you even walk in the door.  Sorry but that is the reality of it.

Lady Gaga&#039;s fashion sense is, at best, questionable.  

Is it so hard to understand that no one wants to see your hairy ass crack? Really?  I mean, ok, MAYBE a couple women here and there may like it but the bulk just roll their eyes behind your back.  You may, however, be making yourself more appealing to gay men.  Or not, I&#039;m just throwing that out there.

Comparing your ass hanging out to a woman wearing a lower-cut top is kind of silly... but there are decency limits to that as well.  Throwing someone in jail over either is a little much... I&#039;m sure that&#039;s just an idle threat kept for people who get unruly in public anyways.

Jon (of New York), you&#039;re actually the reason I wrote today, since your post showed up in my email.  I just wanted to point out that you say you started sagging your pants because your friends were doing it (conforming) but then go on to say that you &quot;won&#039;t conform&quot; by wearing proper fitting pants in another place.  You are clearly someone who &quot;expresses their individuality&quot;, but unfortunately do it by being like everyone else.  Doesn&#039;t really work.  Can&#039;t have both, pal.

No one says everyone has to agree... but I would say, logically speaking, as a straight man I don&#039;t mind seeing a little extra skin on the ladies... but I have no desire to see any on a man.  Unless you&#039;re a gay man I don&#039;t see any benefit to this at all.  Just sayin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m gonna just keep this brief since I refuse to waste a ton of time at this.</p>
<p>As far as the club customers go, we are still over capacity every weekend even with $10-15 cover charge.  I don&#8217;t worry about upsetting a few thug-wannabes.  Those that really want in will respect the dress code.  Others can leave.</p>
<p>Whether it is right or not, you will be treated based on the appearance you give people.  Like the guy above who says the store manager beat him up for no reason, I&#8217;m absolutely certain you aren&#8217;t telling us the whole story.  But if you come into a private establishment looking like some degenerate scumbag (whether you are or not), that will be two strikes against you before you even walk in the door.  Sorry but that is the reality of it.</p>
<p>Lady Gaga&#8217;s fashion sense is, at best, questionable.  </p>
<p>Is it so hard to understand that no one wants to see your hairy ass crack? Really?  I mean, ok, MAYBE a couple women here and there may like it but the bulk just roll their eyes behind your back.  You may, however, be making yourself more appealing to gay men.  Or not, I&#8217;m just throwing that out there.</p>
<p>Comparing your ass hanging out to a woman wearing a lower-cut top is kind of silly&#8230; but there are decency limits to that as well.  Throwing someone in jail over either is a little much&#8230; I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s just an idle threat kept for people who get unruly in public anyways.</p>
<p>Jon (of New York), you&#8217;re actually the reason I wrote today, since your post showed up in my email.  I just wanted to point out that you say you started sagging your pants because your friends were doing it (conforming) but then go on to say that you &#8220;won&#8217;t conform&#8221; by wearing proper fitting pants in another place.  You are clearly someone who &#8220;expresses their individuality&#8221;, but unfortunately do it by being like everyone else.  Doesn&#8217;t really work.  Can&#8217;t have both, pal.</p>
<p>No one says everyone has to agree&#8230; but I would say, logically speaking, as a straight man I don&#8217;t mind seeing a little extra skin on the ladies&#8230; but I have no desire to see any on a man.  Unless you&#8217;re a gay man I don&#8217;t see any benefit to this at all.  Just sayin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon (of New York)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon (of New York)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think getting fined for sagging pants is ridiculous. I&#039;m a 14 year old kid so i don&#039;t expect anyone to take seriously but honestly I can&#039;t believe that this &quot;indecency&quot; offends any one. It&#039;s a style of fashion and does it origination matter? Most people who sag their pants do it because they are influenced by the people around them i.e their friends. I sag my pants and I started sagging my pants for that reason. My friends did it. But at is point I&#039;m out of middle school and in my new school, The Bronx High School of Science (one of the top schools in America) few choose to sag. But i didn&#039;t stop and start wearing tight pants to conform. To be honest at this point sagging is comfortable to me. I like it. Don&#039;t ask me why but it&#039;s gone beyond do what my friends do. So don&#039;t take someone sagging their pants as a sign idiocy or show of their &quot;ghetto-ness&quot;. I sag because I like to. I make me comfortable with myself. And it being outlawed and fined? Come on, why not go fine Lady GaGa for her fashion while your at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think getting fined for sagging pants is ridiculous. I&#8217;m a 14 year old kid so i don&#8217;t expect anyone to take seriously but honestly I can&#8217;t believe that this &#8220;indecency&#8221; offends any one. It&#8217;s a style of fashion and does it origination matter? Most people who sag their pants do it because they are influenced by the people around them i.e their friends. I sag my pants and I started sagging my pants for that reason. My friends did it. But at is point I&#8217;m out of middle school and in my new school, The Bronx High School of Science (one of the top schools in America) few choose to sag. But i didn&#8217;t stop and start wearing tight pants to conform. To be honest at this point sagging is comfortable to me. I like it. Don&#8217;t ask me why but it&#8217;s gone beyond do what my friends do. So don&#8217;t take someone sagging their pants as a sign idiocy or show of their &#8220;ghetto-ness&#8221;. I sag because I like to. I make me comfortable with myself. And it being outlawed and fined? Come on, why not go fine Lady GaGa for her fashion while your at it.</p>
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		<title>By: big dan t</title>
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		<dc:creator>big dan t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got to add this just because she drew first blood, but Amber, if your daughter is gonna go thru the same school system you did, her seeing underpants is literally the LAST thing you should be worried about. I don&#039;t care how far up your ass your pants are, try and get a job with a resume written similar to that post. I mean we don&#039;t have to have perfect grammer, spelling, and general sentence structure, but shit woman! What did the english language ever do to you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got to add this just because she drew first blood, but Amber, if your daughter is gonna go thru the same school system you did, her seeing underpants is literally the LAST thing you should be worried about. I don&#8217;t care how far up your ass your pants are, try and get a job with a resume written similar to that post. I mean we don&#8217;t have to have perfect grammer, spelling, and general sentence structure, but shit woman! What did the english language ever do to you?</p>
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		<title>By: big dan t</title>
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		<dc:creator>big dan t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am 19, white and a pants sagger. I grew up west side detroit but now live in the suburbs. I support myself and my girlfriend (who is a full time student, and part time model). I have a very technical, well paying job. O, and I&#039;m an eagle scout. Now let me tell you a story.
My girlfriend and I were in a grocery store that is right next to my house, I was sick so I was in a particularly foul mood (I was there to get chx soup and a Naked smoothie). While I was looking at the soups the store manager came up to me and said in a flat-out rude tone &quot;hey kid, pull up your pants&quot;. Now, sometimes I sag real low never crack though only boxers- but on this particular day I was wearing basketball shorts under my blue jeans, and you could hardly see the shorts (I feel that point is mute however as I could have pulled the jeans down and walked around the store in the shorts). Anyhow, I looked the clerk in his face, scoffed, and said &quot;no&quot;. He followed up telling me to leave the store or he is calling the piggys. I&#039;m on probation for possesion of marijuana, so to avoid altercations with him or those porkers I put my stuff down and clearly said &quot;I&#039;m leaving then&quot; I went to grab my chicks hand and the manger chest bumped me. I stumbled back, feeling I should let that slide I went to go grab her hand a second time, and sure enough buddy pushed me again. This time I said &quot;stop!&quot; And went for my girls hand a third time and low and behold he pushed me again. At this point I&#039;ve had enough so I spit in the guys face and yelled  &quot;stop I&#039;m leaving&quot;. The manager then proceeded to grab me in an attempt to wrestle me to the ground. In high school I was a wrestler, I&#039;ve also been trained in mixed martial arts, muay thai, and I&#039;ve been trained by a helio gracie disciple, so believe friends I had all the tools to kick this tools ass, but I just broke away from him and headed towards the door, quickly. But he ran up and grabbed me. Two other store associates noticed what was going on and came to help their manager. As I was not trying to mutilate these jerks (and violate) I was only trying to get away and pulled the old fashioned hockey shirt-over-head manuver but got foiled so we went to the ground my shirt half off and 3 grown men on top of me, one of the managers took his belt off and tied it around my ankle for to bond me? I guess... so the five-o arrived and a larger male cop rolled me over and sat on me. He told me put my hands behind my back, but I couldn&#039;t as my arm was wrapped around my shirt and the cop was sitting on me so I couldn&#039;t move it. So I told him this. He yelled again, so I repeated myself and my old lady was yelling &quot;his arm is stuck!&quot; So officer jackass grabbed me by the hair and slammed my head into the ground multiple times. I quickly realized that comunication, unfortunately, was getting me nowhere so I flailed my body in an attempt to break free so I could comply with police mans orders but his partner saw me move and jumped on me and started punching me over and over. So I did a bridge and got them fools off me, layed on my stomach still as possible and threw my hands behind my back. The cops got up, cuffed me, dragged me by my hair to the cop car, andnow I&#039;m being charged with assult and resisting arrest, just because they wouldnt believe this man attacked me unprovoked. Luckily however, the store has survielence tapes and best believe after these charges get dropped I&#039;m going to sue the grocery store and spare no expense to make sure that manager is charged with at very least assult and battery.

The reason I told that story is to comment on people saying the laws are targetting blacks, I believe these accusations are false! Just as many crackers wear their pants low as brothers do. I think however, the fundamental issues the lawmakers and this man have with it are rooted to racism. They grew up in a time were racial tensions were high and probably deep down in their subconscious they probably do resent black people. They see young white males taking after BLACK role models instead of them. They don&#039;t think its right for US to try and be like THEM. so add that in with the hero factor and you get what we got,

I sag my pants because I am comfortable like that, and I look good like that (try and tell my MODEL girlfriend otherwise) it is not a cry for attention, it is not me being lude or indecent, o I don&#039;t have shit stains on my boxers shorts. idk if you all are ready for this one... I wear pants that are not 2 or 3 sizes too big to things such as work, or court, or shit even boyscout meetings. The same day I had the above confrontation my girlfriend was wearing a shirt that showed the top 3/4&#039;s of her huge perfect breasts (the ONLY skin I was showing was my head and hands) and he did not say one word to her. Hmmm double standards much? 

And to the guy on this forum talking about how manliness should be important to us, not all of us are apes who have to walk around beating our chests to show who is most macho, I mean seriously dude with the way homosexuality and cross dressing are becoming increasingly popular should we make that illeagal too? What&#039;s more manly than dressing like a fairy and skipping through Ferndale, right? But what I think the issue most people have with this &quot;fashion trend&quot; is the same one my mom has, and that&#039;s all of you are really bored, busy bodied, close minded, bigots. I have never in my life harassed somebody about what they wear, how they look, or what they wanna shove up their asses for that matter. You all wanna know why? Cuz I am a good human being who believes in harmony, can&#039;t we all just get along? I understand it is one thing to look and be professional when appropriate, but homie I work 6 10 hour days and I promise you all when I am off the clock I will, repeat, WILL dress however I want. I am a grown ass young man, and unless you come to my house and pay my bills, and do my chicks bedroom duties your input on MY wardrobe is non-existant.

Now crystal(above) why in the hell would you put up a post like that? You only succeeded in making those associated with you appear to be idiots, thanks a lot. next time your brain &quot;thinks it thunk&quot;, pretty please don&#039;t share it with the world. Its people acting dumb that gives us(humans) a bad name.

And bouncer... just for the record I am fairly ceratin there are as many drunk rednecks with knives, and drunk ass bankers with guns, as there are &quot;thug wannabees&quot; that are armed. I will HAPPILY stay out of any establishment that does not want my money. Keep turnin it away, that way you lame ass bigots can get drunk together and &quot;lynch you a wigger for saggin them there pants&quot; or practice your bigotry in whatever way you see fit. Its a free country so I really don&#039;t care what you do.

I&#039;m done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am 19, white and a pants sagger. I grew up west side detroit but now live in the suburbs. I support myself and my girlfriend (who is a full time student, and part time model). I have a very technical, well paying job. O, and I&#8217;m an eagle scout. Now let me tell you a story.<br />
My girlfriend and I were in a grocery store that is right next to my house, I was sick so I was in a particularly foul mood (I was there to get chx soup and a Naked smoothie). While I was looking at the soups the store manager came up to me and said in a flat-out rude tone &#8220;hey kid, pull up your pants&#8221;. Now, sometimes I sag real low never crack though only boxers- but on this particular day I was wearing basketball shorts under my blue jeans, and you could hardly see the shorts (I feel that point is mute however as I could have pulled the jeans down and walked around the store in the shorts). Anyhow, I looked the clerk in his face, scoffed, and said &#8220;no&#8221;. He followed up telling me to leave the store or he is calling the piggys. I&#8217;m on probation for possesion of marijuana, so to avoid altercations with him or those porkers I put my stuff down and clearly said &#8220;I&#8217;m leaving then&#8221; I went to grab my chicks hand and the manger chest bumped me. I stumbled back, feeling I should let that slide I went to go grab her hand a second time, and sure enough buddy pushed me again. This time I said &#8220;stop!&#8221; And went for my girls hand a third time and low and behold he pushed me again. At this point I&#8217;ve had enough so I spit in the guys face and yelled  &#8220;stop I&#8217;m leaving&#8221;. The manager then proceeded to grab me in an attempt to wrestle me to the ground. In high school I was a wrestler, I&#8217;ve also been trained in mixed martial arts, muay thai, and I&#8217;ve been trained by a helio gracie disciple, so believe friends I had all the tools to kick this tools ass, but I just broke away from him and headed towards the door, quickly. But he ran up and grabbed me. Two other store associates noticed what was going on and came to help their manager. As I was not trying to mutilate these jerks (and violate) I was only trying to get away and pulled the old fashioned hockey shirt-over-head manuver but got foiled so we went to the ground my shirt half off and 3 grown men on top of me, one of the managers took his belt off and tied it around my ankle for to bond me? I guess&#8230; so the five-o arrived and a larger male cop rolled me over and sat on me. He told me put my hands behind my back, but I couldn&#8217;t as my arm was wrapped around my shirt and the cop was sitting on me so I couldn&#8217;t move it. So I told him this. He yelled again, so I repeated myself and my old lady was yelling &#8220;his arm is stuck!&#8221; So officer jackass grabbed me by the hair and slammed my head into the ground multiple times. I quickly realized that comunication, unfortunately, was getting me nowhere so I flailed my body in an attempt to break free so I could comply with police mans orders but his partner saw me move and jumped on me and started punching me over and over. So I did a bridge and got them fools off me, layed on my stomach still as possible and threw my hands behind my back. The cops got up, cuffed me, dragged me by my hair to the cop car, andnow I&#8217;m being charged with assult and resisting arrest, just because they wouldnt believe this man attacked me unprovoked. Luckily however, the store has survielence tapes and best believe after these charges get dropped I&#8217;m going to sue the grocery store and spare no expense to make sure that manager is charged with at very least assult and battery.</p>
<p>The reason I told that story is to comment on people saying the laws are targetting blacks, I believe these accusations are false! Just as many crackers wear their pants low as brothers do. I think however, the fundamental issues the lawmakers and this man have with it are rooted to racism. They grew up in a time were racial tensions were high and probably deep down in their subconscious they probably do resent black people. They see young white males taking after BLACK role models instead of them. They don&#8217;t think its right for US to try and be like THEM. so add that in with the hero factor and you get what we got,</p>
<p>I sag my pants because I am comfortable like that, and I look good like that (try and tell my MODEL girlfriend otherwise) it is not a cry for attention, it is not me being lude or indecent, o I don&#8217;t have shit stains on my boxers shorts. idk if you all are ready for this one&#8230; I wear pants that are not 2 or 3 sizes too big to things such as work, or court, or shit even boyscout meetings. The same day I had the above confrontation my girlfriend was wearing a shirt that showed the top 3/4&#8242;s of her huge perfect breasts (the ONLY skin I was showing was my head and hands) and he did not say one word to her. Hmmm double standards much? </p>
<p>And to the guy on this forum talking about how manliness should be important to us, not all of us are apes who have to walk around beating our chests to show who is most macho, I mean seriously dude with the way homosexuality and cross dressing are becoming increasingly popular should we make that illeagal too? What&#8217;s more manly than dressing like a fairy and skipping through Ferndale, right? But what I think the issue most people have with this &#8220;fashion trend&#8221; is the same one my mom has, and that&#8217;s all of you are really bored, busy bodied, close minded, bigots. I have never in my life harassed somebody about what they wear, how they look, or what they wanna shove up their asses for that matter. You all wanna know why? Cuz I am a good human being who believes in harmony, can&#8217;t we all just get along? I understand it is one thing to look and be professional when appropriate, but homie I work 6 10 hour days and I promise you all when I am off the clock I will, repeat, WILL dress however I want. I am a grown ass young man, and unless you come to my house and pay my bills, and do my chicks bedroom duties your input on MY wardrobe is non-existant.</p>
<p>Now crystal(above) why in the hell would you put up a post like that? You only succeeded in making those associated with you appear to be idiots, thanks a lot. next time your brain &#8220;thinks it thunk&#8221;, pretty please don&#8217;t share it with the world. Its people acting dumb that gives us(humans) a bad name.</p>
<p>And bouncer&#8230; just for the record I am fairly ceratin there are as many drunk rednecks with knives, and drunk ass bankers with guns, as there are &#8220;thug wannabees&#8221; that are armed. I will HAPPILY stay out of any establishment that does not want my money. Keep turnin it away, that way you lame ass bigots can get drunk together and &#8220;lynch you a wigger for saggin them there pants&#8221; or practice your bigotry in whatever way you see fit. Its a free country so I really don&#8217;t care what you do.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m done.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey</title>
		<link>http://returntomanliness.com/2008/07/11/flint-michigan-implements-controversial-sagging-pants-law/comment-page-1/#comment-9650</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 01:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This law is stupid!!! Thats no different than arresting a women for showing a little bit of cleavage!  I&#039;m suprized that law passed. it&#039;s one thing for a cop to say &quot;hey can you please pull up your pant its not apropriate&quot; but you guys have gone way to far with this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This law is stupid!!! Thats no different than arresting a women for showing a little bit of cleavage!  I&#8217;m suprized that law passed. it&#8217;s one thing for a cop to say &#8220;hey can you please pull up your pant its not apropriate&#8221; but you guys have gone way to far with this</p>
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		<title>By: amber</title>
		<link>http://returntomanliness.com/2008/07/11/flint-michigan-implements-controversial-sagging-pants-law/comment-page-1/#comment-3494</link>
		<dc:creator>amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 03:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mike.. There is something wrong with this fad....we teach our 3 year old girl she dont see boys under wear.As alot of ppl teach their kids that its wrong. just the other day i went ib to the gas station with my 3 year old and there is a man leaning over the counter (because he was to lasy to just stand there) and at first I didnt think about it but when i looked sure enough his pants were sagging and his boxers had a massive hole in them all i saw was bare skin. my little girl was asking me why his but was showing and i told he he was nasty and too lasy to pull them up and the police man would put him jail! So I am glad they are doing something about saggy pants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mike.. There is something wrong with this fad&#8230;.we teach our 3 year old girl she dont see boys under wear.As alot of ppl teach their kids that its wrong. just the other day i went ib to the gas station with my 3 year old and there is a man leaning over the counter (because he was to lasy to just stand there) and at first I didnt think about it but when i looked sure enough his pants were sagging and his boxers had a massive hole in them all i saw was bare skin. my little girl was asking me why his but was showing and i told he he was nasty and too lasy to pull them up and the police man would put him jail! So I am glad they are doing something about saggy pants.</p>
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